Comments on: Encoding Life's Complexity http://emergentfool.com/2008/10/15/encoding-lifes-complexity/ ...explorations in complex adaptive systems... Sat, 13 Mar 2010 01:53:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Amazing Feats of Memory « The Emergent Fool http://emergentfool.com/2008/10/15/encoding-lifes-complexity/#comment-1559 Amazing Feats of Memory « The Emergent Fool Tue, 19 May 2009 16:47:12 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=351#comment-1559 [...] raw information into chunks which can later be decoded when we are asked to recall.  Fortunately, the world is very structured and it actually helps us immensely in this encoding/decoding process.  We are all virtuosos at this process, but it’s so unconscious and natural that we [...] [...] raw information into chunks which can later be decoded when we are asked to recall.  Fortunately, the world is very structured and it actually helps us immensely in this encoding/decoding process.  We are all virtuosos at this process, but it’s so unconscious and natural that we [...]

]]> By: rafefurst http://emergentfool.com/2008/10/15/encoding-lifes-complexity/#comment-1557 rafefurst Tue, 03 Mar 2009 01:51:31 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=351#comment-1557 @Kevin, in re-reading your comment, I don't see this as a problem for simulated human consciousness as long as you embed the consciousness in a physical system with enough sensor and effector fidelity to match what the human brain interacts with when embodied. I agree with you that simulating the mind's environment is a much harder proposition and suffers from complexity barriers. Simulating a (current) human mind may require a super-high fidelity robotic body, and may not be possible simply "inside the matrix". That said, a trans-human mind might be able to work in the matrix without the crushing flow of physical-world sensory data required for current human minds to work. @Kevin, in re-reading your comment, I don’t see this as a problem for simulated human consciousness as long as you embed the consciousness in a physical system with enough sensor and effector fidelity to match what the human brain interacts with when embodied. I agree with you that simulating the mind’s environment is a much harder proposition and suffers from complexity barriers. Simulating a (current) human mind may require a super-high fidelity robotic body, and may not be possible simply “inside the matrix”.

That said, a trans-human mind might be able to work in the matrix without the crushing flow of physical-world sensory data required for current human minds to work.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2008/10/15/encoding-lifes-complexity/#comment-1558 kevindick Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:57:31 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=351#comment-1558 Per our email conversation today about potential flaws in Kurzweil's singularity logic, this is a a more precise characterization of the consciousness simulation problem than what I called "path dependence". Cool synchronicity. To get a simulated human consciousness to run, you may have to also simulate reality to an arbitrary level of precision. Of course, if there is some simplified reality that satisfies all the implicit environmental dependencies of consciousness, then we can obviously do it with fewer resources. But Kurzweil hasn't shown this (yet). Per our email conversation today about potential flaws in Kurzweil’s singularity logic, this is a a more precise characterization of the consciousness simulation problem than what I called “path dependence”. Cool synchronicity.

To get a simulated human consciousness to run, you may have to also simulate reality to an arbitrary level of precision. Of course, if there is some simplified reality that satisfies all the implicit environmental dependencies of consciousness, then we can obviously do it with fewer resources. But Kurzweil hasn’t shown this (yet).

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