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		<title>By: Superorganism and Singularity &#171; Complex Adaptive Systems</title>
		<link>http://emergentfool.com/2008/10/26/quick-rundown-on-the-singularity-summit/#comment-1579</link>
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		<description>[...] 25, 2008 by rafefurst    There is an aspect to The Singularity which is not discussed much, an orthogonal dimension that is already taking shape, and which is [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Singularity Summit: How Will We Get There? &#171; Complex Adaptive Systems</title>
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		<dc:creator>Singularity Summit: How Will We Get There? &#171; Complex Adaptive Systems</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 31, 2008 by kevindick    Now that I&#8217;ve had a week to digest what I saw at the summit, I have some thoughts on the most likely path we&#8217;ll take to the singularity. From an absolute [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Anand</title>
		<link>http://emergentfool.com/2008/10/26/quick-rundown-on-the-singularity-summit/#comment-1586</link>
		<dc:creator>Anand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent summary kevindick.

It was my first time at such a Summit, and I was surprised that I understood a majority of what was said.

I had the most trouble understanding a large part of what Gershenfeld and Rattner presented, and its ironic that you found their lectures to be the most fascinating!  It seemed to me that you needed to have worked at Intel or AMD to understand most of Rattner&#039;s presentation.

I am glad I wasn&#039;t the only one who thought Marshall Brain&#039;s presentation was the weakest.  He has had that same stuff on his website for a few years, and has milked it for all its worth -- via the Adsense ads on his website and publicity in the media.  He also wrote &quot;how to make a million dollars&quot; or something like that, so you have to give him kudos regarding his entrepreneurial abilities.  At this point, if he says that he was wrong, his lucrative website content becomes somewhat meaningless.

I thought Miller was not that great -- just funny and maybe the most pleasing to the eye of all the speakers for the relatively few ladies who attend these things.

I am glad Kurzweil didn&#039;t go over too many of the old slides from his book and instead analyzed some of the points made by the speakers.  As usual, Kurzweil sounded very intelligent (and correct) and was understandable to the average person like myself.

The one-sided debate between Kurzweil and Horgan was meaningless and a repetition of the old argument regarding &quot;exponential&quot; versus &quot;complexity&quot;.  Horgan seemed like a great person to be around, but maybe Bill McKibben or Bill Joy would be more interesting to listen to in a debate with Kurzweil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent summary kevindick.</p>
<p>It was my first time at such a Summit, and I was surprised that I understood a majority of what was said.</p>
<p>I had the most trouble understanding a large part of what Gershenfeld and Rattner presented, and its ironic that you found their lectures to be the most fascinating!  It seemed to me that you needed to have worked at Intel or AMD to understand most of Rattner&#8217;s presentation.</p>
<p>I am glad I wasn&#8217;t the only one who thought Marshall Brain&#8217;s presentation was the weakest.  He has had that same stuff on his website for a few years, and has milked it for all its worth &#8212; via the Adsense ads on his website and publicity in the media.  He also wrote &#8220;how to make a million dollars&#8221; or something like that, so you have to give him kudos regarding his entrepreneurial abilities.  At this point, if he says that he was wrong, his lucrative website content becomes somewhat meaningless.</p>
<p>I thought Miller was not that great &#8212; just funny and maybe the most pleasing to the eye of all the speakers for the relatively few ladies who attend these things.</p>
<p>I am glad Kurzweil didn&#8217;t go over too many of the old slides from his book and instead analyzed some of the points made by the speakers.  As usual, Kurzweil sounded very intelligent (and correct) and was understandable to the average person like myself.</p>
<p>The one-sided debate between Kurzweil and Horgan was meaningless and a repetition of the old argument regarding &#8220;exponential&#8221; versus &#8220;complexity&#8221;.  Horgan seemed like a great person to be around, but maybe Bill McKibben or Bill Joy would be more interesting to listen to in a debate with Kurzweil.</p>
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		<title>By: kevindick</title>
		<link>http://emergentfool.com/2008/10/26/quick-rundown-on-the-singularity-summit/#comment-1589</link>
		<dc:creator>kevindick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 06:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Brian Wang.  My notes have Modha saying the rat brain simulation was 1/10,000th real time.  He could have misspoke, I could have misheard, or I could have miswritten.  If there&#039;s an official transcript, I&#039;d love to know the actual answer because it makes a big difference.

@commandersprocket.  Yes, technological change is constantly changing the job mix.  But there is no single point of shift.  It&#039;s a constant, noisy forcing function.  That&#039;s why I think you need to check your understanding of the Great Depression.  The shift towards an industrial economy was very far on its way and it occurred in fits and starts.

I absolutely agree that we should try and help people over transitions, but I hardly think Keynesian fiscal policy is the answer.  That merely creates a larger role for the government, which ultimately stifles flexibility and innovation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brian Wang.  My notes have Modha saying the rat brain simulation was 1/10,000th real time.  He could have misspoke, I could have misheard, or I could have miswritten.  If there&#8217;s an official transcript, I&#8217;d love to know the actual answer because it makes a big difference.</p>
<p>@commandersprocket.  Yes, technological change is constantly changing the job mix.  But there is no single point of shift.  It&#8217;s a constant, noisy forcing function.  That&#8217;s why I think you need to check your understanding of the Great Depression.  The shift towards an industrial economy was very far on its way and it occurred in fits and starts.</p>
<p>I absolutely agree that we should try and help people over transitions, but I hardly think Keynesian fiscal policy is the answer.  That merely creates a larger role for the government, which ultimately stifles flexibility and innovation.</p>
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		<title>By: commandersprocket</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 06:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Joe,

I think the issue of jobs is very real.  And the reference to the last technology/economic paradym shift is absolutely valid.  I have an informal theory that when we go through those technology/economic shifts we do loose jobs, and it takes time and effort to get those jobs back.  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a coincidence that the last &quot;great depression&quot; happened at the early stages of shift from agricultural to industrial economies.  I think that it&#039;s natural to shift toward Keynesian economics during times like this (like the New Deal) to help get over the &quot;valley&quot; of job loss.  (ultimately that job loss is a very very good thing as it leads to a dramatically more productive populace).   But it also brings social upheaval, life will be as fundamentally different as factory work is from pre-industrial farm work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Joe,</p>
<p>I think the issue of jobs is very real.  And the reference to the last technology/economic paradym shift is absolutely valid.  I have an informal theory that when we go through those technology/economic shifts we do loose jobs, and it takes time and effort to get those jobs back.  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a coincidence that the last &#8220;great depression&#8221; happened at the early stages of shift from agricultural to industrial economies.  I think that it&#8217;s natural to shift toward Keynesian economics during times like this (like the New Deal) to help get over the &#8220;valley&#8221; of job loss.  (ultimately that job loss is a very very good thing as it leads to a dramatically more productive populace).   But it also brings social upheaval, life will be as fundamentally different as factory work is from pre-industrial farm work.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Wang</title>
		<link>http://emergentfool.com/2008/10/26/quick-rundown-on-the-singularity-summit/#comment-1580</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Wang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Modha&#039;s
rodent brain sim is one tenth of real time


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6600965.stm?ls

The vast complexity of the simulation meant that it was only run for 10 seconds at a speed ten times slower than real life - the equivalent of one second in a real mouse brain. [2007]

The rat brain simulation is 3.5 times bigger and I believe Modha said it was working and also at one tenth of real time</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Modha&#8217;s<br />
rodent brain sim is one tenth of real time</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6600965.stm?ls" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6600965.stm?ls</a></p>
<p>The vast complexity of the simulation meant that it was only run for 10 seconds at a speed ten times slower than real life &#8211; the equivalent of one second in a real mouse brain. [2007]</p>
<p>The rat brain simulation is 3.5 times bigger and I believe Modha said it was working and also at one tenth of real time</p>
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		<title>By: Eliezer Yudkowsky</title>
		<link>http://emergentfool.com/2008/10/26/quick-rundown-on-the-singularity-summit/#comment-1587</link>
		<dc:creator>Eliezer Yudkowsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Accurate summary.</description>
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		<title>By: Singularity Summit: Thoughts on AGI &#171; Complex Adaptive Systems</title>
		<link>http://emergentfool.com/2008/10/26/quick-rundown-on-the-singularity-summit/#comment-1581</link>
		<dc:creator>Singularity Summit: Thoughts on AGI &#171; Complex Adaptive Systems</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Singularity is the development of artificial general intelligence (AGI). As you can read in my rundown of the Singularity Summit, speakers showcased a lot of progress in hardware substrate and software infrastructure, but no [...]</description>
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		<title>By: kevindick</title>
		<link>http://emergentfool.com/2008/10/26/quick-rundown-on-the-singularity-summit/#comment-1585</link>
		<dc:creator>kevindick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 23:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@joe.  Marshall presented this as a certainty and that this was going to be a steady state phenomenon.  Both of these are obviously not true.  Every technological innovation has displaced some jobs and created others.  On balance, the total has been positive.  Moreover, the transition typically happens fairly gradually.  We won&#039;t wake up one day to find that robots can all of a sudden displace a bunch of jobs.  What burned me was that he presented absolutely no real evidence from a micro or macro economic perspective to back up his bold assertion.

@A. T. Murray.  There were no real demonstrations.  Each presenter had only 20 minutes.  Some people showed short videos as I mentioned.  I&#039;m going to post about my general impression of the state of the art tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@joe.  Marshall presented this as a certainty and that this was going to be a steady state phenomenon.  Both of these are obviously not true.  Every technological innovation has displaced some jobs and created others.  On balance, the total has been positive.  Moreover, the transition typically happens fairly gradually.  We won&#8217;t wake up one day to find that robots can all of a sudden displace a bunch of jobs.  What burned me was that he presented absolutely no real evidence from a micro or macro economic perspective to back up his bold assertion.</p>
<p>@A. T. Murray.  There were no real demonstrations.  Each presenter had only 20 minutes.  Some people showed short videos as I mentioned.  I&#8217;m going to post about my general impression of the state of the art tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: A. T. Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. T. Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This report on the Singularity Summit has been rather thorough and informative. One wonders whether there were any demonstrations offered of artificial intelligence software or of autonomous robots. If the Summit consisted solely of speeches, it could have been a Web presentation open to people all over the world.</description>
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