Comments on: Society According to Kevin: Introduction http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/ ...explorations in complex adaptive systems... Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:29:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Society According to Kevin: Part 1 « The Emergent Fool http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1665 Society According to Kevin: Part 1 « The Emergent Fool Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:33:18 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1665 [...] the comments on my Introduction to this series, it appears I have discovered a controversial topic. Good. My first objective will [...] [...] the comments on my Introduction to this series, it appears I have discovered a controversial topic. Good. My first objective will [...]

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1666 kevindick Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:47:16 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1666 @Ben. Yes, as I replied to Daniel, that is my thesis. This compass is just not very good in a modern civilization. Which I will be exploring in my next post... when I get the chance to finish it. @Ben. Yes, as I replied to Daniel, that is my thesis. This compass is just not very good in a modern civilization. Which I will be exploring in my next post… when I get the chance to finish it.

]]> By: Ben http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1667 Ben Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:27:24 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1667 Humans DO have an internal compass--the compass that was provided to us through evolution. A <a href="http://plektix.blogspot.com/2008/11/evolution-of-cooperation.html" rel="nofollow">large body of research</a> has shown that cooperative behaviors can evolve under the right circumstances, at least some of which were certainly present during human evolution. So it's not at all unreasonable to suggest that humans have some instinct to behave well towards each other, though the details of this instinct (in particular how it interacts with our competitive instincts) are unclear. Humans DO have an internal compass–the compass that was provided to us through evolution. A large body of research has shown that cooperative behaviors can evolve under the right circumstances, at least some of which were certainly present during human evolution. So it’s not at all unreasonable to suggest that humans have some instinct to behave well towards each other, though the details of this instinct (in particular how it interacts with our competitive instincts) are unclear.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1669 kevindick Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:18:51 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1669 I was actually planning on offering something along the lines of truth market assertions. Or offering to take the other side of bets by moral compassists if my model makes different predictions. I was actually planning on offering something along the lines of truth market assertions. Or offering to take the other side of bets by moral compassists if my model makes different predictions.

]]> By: rafefurst http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1668 rafefurst Sun, 04 Jan 2009 20:33:52 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1668 Looking forward to the empirical tests. Of course I will need to approve the setup before accepting the argument as valid :-) Looking forward to the empirical tests. Of course I will need to approve the setup before accepting the argument as valid :-)

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1672 kevindick Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:45:32 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1672 @Daniel. Yep, my next post is going to be about how selection pressure provided humans "incentive shortcuts" in the form of various hardwired behaviors. @Daniel. Yep, my next post is going to be about how selection pressure provided humans “incentive shortcuts” in the form of various hardwired behaviors.

]]> By: Daniel http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1671 Daniel Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:15:08 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1671 Incentives rule. Empathy is internally incentivized for evolutionary purposes. Incentives rule. Empathy is internally incentivized for evolutionary purposes.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1670 kevindick Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:23:43 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1670 @Jay. Unfortunately, in order to have public transportation, both my friend and the SUV driver would already have been taxed. I would endorse the SUV driver recovering his pro rata share of those taxes from all the public transit riders. Most recent public rail projects fail any kind of remotely reasonable cost benefit analysis. Buses usually dominate rail severalfold. The key is to always ask whether fares will be at least equal to operating costs under somewhat realistic assumptions. That gets rid of most projects. Then you have to see whether the excess will pay back the capital costs in less than 50 years. That gets rid of almost everything else. Heck, even if you give them a reasonable "carbon offset credit", they still don't make sense. @Jay. Unfortunately, in order to have public transportation, both my friend and the SUV driver would already have been taxed. I would endorse the SUV driver recovering his pro rata share of those taxes from all the public transit riders.

Most recent public rail projects fail any kind of remotely reasonable cost benefit analysis. Buses usually dominate rail severalfold. The key is to always ask whether fares will be at least equal to operating costs under somewhat realistic assumptions. That gets rid of most projects. Then you have to see whether the excess will pay back the capital costs in less than 50 years. That gets rid of almost everything else. Heck, even if you give them a reasonable “carbon offset credit”, they still don’t make sense.

]]> By: JAY http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1664 JAY Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:41:16 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1664 and let the SUV driver figure out how much harm your friend's use of public transportation does and then tax him. and let the SUV driver figure out how much harm your friend’s use of public transportation does and then tax him.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/ ...explorations in complex adaptive systems... Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:29:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 Comments on: Society According to Kevin: Introduction http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/ ...explorations in complex adaptive systems... Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:29:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Society According to Kevin: Part 1 « The Emergent Fool http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1665 Society According to Kevin: Part 1 « The Emergent Fool Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:33:18 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1665 [...] the comments on my Introduction to this series, it appears I have discovered a controversial topic. Good. My first objective will [...] [...] the comments on my Introduction to this series, it appears I have discovered a controversial topic. Good. My first objective will [...]

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1666 kevindick Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:47:16 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1666 @Ben. Yes, as I replied to Daniel, that is my thesis. This compass is just not very good in a modern civilization. Which I will be exploring in my next post... when I get the chance to finish it. @Ben. Yes, as I replied to Daniel, that is my thesis. This compass is just not very good in a modern civilization. Which I will be exploring in my next post… when I get the chance to finish it.

]]> By: Ben http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1667 Ben Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:27:24 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1667 Humans DO have an internal compass--the compass that was provided to us through evolution. A <a href="http://plektix.blogspot.com/2008/11/evolution-of-cooperation.html" rel="nofollow">large body of research</a> has shown that cooperative behaviors can evolve under the right circumstances, at least some of which were certainly present during human evolution. So it's not at all unreasonable to suggest that humans have some instinct to behave well towards each other, though the details of this instinct (in particular how it interacts with our competitive instincts) are unclear. Humans DO have an internal compass–the compass that was provided to us through evolution. A large body of research has shown that cooperative behaviors can evolve under the right circumstances, at least some of which were certainly present during human evolution. So it’s not at all unreasonable to suggest that humans have some instinct to behave well towards each other, though the details of this instinct (in particular how it interacts with our competitive instincts) are unclear.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1669 kevindick Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:18:51 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1669 I was actually planning on offering something along the lines of truth market assertions. Or offering to take the other side of bets by moral compassists if my model makes different predictions. I was actually planning on offering something along the lines of truth market assertions. Or offering to take the other side of bets by moral compassists if my model makes different predictions.

]]> By: rafefurst http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1668 rafefurst Sun, 04 Jan 2009 20:33:52 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1668 Looking forward to the empirical tests. Of course I will need to approve the setup before accepting the argument as valid :-) Looking forward to the empirical tests. Of course I will need to approve the setup before accepting the argument as valid :-)

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1672 kevindick Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:45:32 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1672 @Daniel. Yep, my next post is going to be about how selection pressure provided humans "incentive shortcuts" in the form of various hardwired behaviors. @Daniel. Yep, my next post is going to be about how selection pressure provided humans “incentive shortcuts” in the form of various hardwired behaviors.

]]> By: Daniel http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1671 Daniel Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:15:08 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1671 Incentives rule. Empathy is internally incentivized for evolutionary purposes. Incentives rule. Empathy is internally incentivized for evolutionary purposes.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1670 kevindick Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:23:43 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1670 @Jay. Unfortunately, in order to have public transportation, both my friend and the SUV driver would already have been taxed. I would endorse the SUV driver recovering his pro rata share of those taxes from all the public transit riders. Most recent public rail projects fail any kind of remotely reasonable cost benefit analysis. Buses usually dominate rail severalfold. The key is to always ask whether fares will be at least equal to operating costs under somewhat realistic assumptions. That gets rid of most projects. Then you have to see whether the excess will pay back the capital costs in less than 50 years. That gets rid of almost everything else. Heck, even if you give them a reasonable "carbon offset credit", they still don't make sense. @Jay. Unfortunately, in order to have public transportation, both my friend and the SUV driver would already have been taxed. I would endorse the SUV driver recovering his pro rata share of those taxes from all the public transit riders.

Most recent public rail projects fail any kind of remotely reasonable cost benefit analysis. Buses usually dominate rail severalfold. The key is to always ask whether fares will be at least equal to operating costs under somewhat realistic assumptions. That gets rid of most projects. Then you have to see whether the excess will pay back the capital costs in less than 50 years. That gets rid of almost everything else. Heck, even if you give them a reasonable “carbon offset credit”, they still don’t make sense.

]]> By: JAY http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1664 JAY Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:41:16 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1664 and let the SUV driver figure out how much harm your friend's use of public transportation does and then tax him. and let the SUV driver figure out how much harm your friend’s use of public transportation does and then tax him.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1665 Society According to Kevin: Part 1 « The Emergent Fool Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:33:18 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1665 [...] the comments on my Introduction to this series, it appears I have discovered a controversial topic. Good. My first objective will [...] [...] the comments on my Introduction to this series, it appears I have discovered a controversial topic. Good. My first objective will [...]

]]> Comments on: Society According to Kevin: Introduction http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/ ...explorations in complex adaptive systems... Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:29:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Society According to Kevin: Part 1 « The Emergent Fool http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1665 Society According to Kevin: Part 1 « The Emergent Fool Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:33:18 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1665 [...] the comments on my Introduction to this series, it appears I have discovered a controversial topic. Good. My first objective will [...] [...] the comments on my Introduction to this series, it appears I have discovered a controversial topic. Good. My first objective will [...]

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1666 kevindick Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:47:16 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1666 @Ben. Yes, as I replied to Daniel, that is my thesis. This compass is just not very good in a modern civilization. Which I will be exploring in my next post... when I get the chance to finish it. @Ben. Yes, as I replied to Daniel, that is my thesis. This compass is just not very good in a modern civilization. Which I will be exploring in my next post… when I get the chance to finish it.

]]> By: Ben http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1667 Ben Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:27:24 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1667 Humans DO have an internal compass--the compass that was provided to us through evolution. A <a href="http://plektix.blogspot.com/2008/11/evolution-of-cooperation.html" rel="nofollow">large body of research</a> has shown that cooperative behaviors can evolve under the right circumstances, at least some of which were certainly present during human evolution. So it's not at all unreasonable to suggest that humans have some instinct to behave well towards each other, though the details of this instinct (in particular how it interacts with our competitive instincts) are unclear. Humans DO have an internal compass–the compass that was provided to us through evolution. A large body of research has shown that cooperative behaviors can evolve under the right circumstances, at least some of which were certainly present during human evolution. So it’s not at all unreasonable to suggest that humans have some instinct to behave well towards each other, though the details of this instinct (in particular how it interacts with our competitive instincts) are unclear.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1669 kevindick Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:18:51 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1669 I was actually planning on offering something along the lines of truth market assertions. Or offering to take the other side of bets by moral compassists if my model makes different predictions. I was actually planning on offering something along the lines of truth market assertions. Or offering to take the other side of bets by moral compassists if my model makes different predictions.

]]> By: rafefurst http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1668 rafefurst Sun, 04 Jan 2009 20:33:52 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1668 Looking forward to the empirical tests. Of course I will need to approve the setup before accepting the argument as valid :-) Looking forward to the empirical tests. Of course I will need to approve the setup before accepting the argument as valid :-)

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1672 kevindick Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:45:32 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1672 @Daniel. Yep, my next post is going to be about how selection pressure provided humans "incentive shortcuts" in the form of various hardwired behaviors. @Daniel. Yep, my next post is going to be about how selection pressure provided humans “incentive shortcuts” in the form of various hardwired behaviors.

]]> By: Daniel http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1671 Daniel Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:15:08 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1671 Incentives rule. Empathy is internally incentivized for evolutionary purposes. Incentives rule. Empathy is internally incentivized for evolutionary purposes.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1670 kevindick Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:23:43 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1670 @Jay. Unfortunately, in order to have public transportation, both my friend and the SUV driver would already have been taxed. I would endorse the SUV driver recovering his pro rata share of those taxes from all the public transit riders. Most recent public rail projects fail any kind of remotely reasonable cost benefit analysis. Buses usually dominate rail severalfold. The key is to always ask whether fares will be at least equal to operating costs under somewhat realistic assumptions. That gets rid of most projects. Then you have to see whether the excess will pay back the capital costs in less than 50 years. That gets rid of almost everything else. Heck, even if you give them a reasonable "carbon offset credit", they still don't make sense. @Jay. Unfortunately, in order to have public transportation, both my friend and the SUV driver would already have been taxed. I would endorse the SUV driver recovering his pro rata share of those taxes from all the public transit riders.

Most recent public rail projects fail any kind of remotely reasonable cost benefit analysis. Buses usually dominate rail severalfold. The key is to always ask whether fares will be at least equal to operating costs under somewhat realistic assumptions. That gets rid of most projects. Then you have to see whether the excess will pay back the capital costs in less than 50 years. That gets rid of almost everything else. Heck, even if you give them a reasonable “carbon offset credit”, they still don’t make sense.

]]> By: JAY http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1664 JAY Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:41:16 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1664 and let the SUV driver figure out how much harm your friend's use of public transportation does and then tax him. and let the SUV driver figure out how much harm your friend’s use of public transportation does and then tax him.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1666 kevindick Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:47:16 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1666 @Ben. Yes, as I replied to Daniel, that is my thesis. This compass is just not very good in a modern civilization. Which I will be exploring in my next post... when I get the chance to finish it. @Ben. Yes, as I replied to Daniel, that is my thesis. This compass is just not very good in a modern civilization. Which I will be exploring in my next post… when I get the chance to finish it.

]]> Comments on: Society According to Kevin: Introduction http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/ ...explorations in complex adaptive systems... Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:29:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Society According to Kevin: Part 1 « The Emergent Fool http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1665 Society According to Kevin: Part 1 « The Emergent Fool Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:33:18 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1665 [...] the comments on my Introduction to this series, it appears I have discovered a controversial topic. Good. My first objective will [...] [...] the comments on my Introduction to this series, it appears I have discovered a controversial topic. Good. My first objective will [...]

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1666 kevindick Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:47:16 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1666 @Ben. Yes, as I replied to Daniel, that is my thesis. This compass is just not very good in a modern civilization. Which I will be exploring in my next post... when I get the chance to finish it. @Ben. Yes, as I replied to Daniel, that is my thesis. This compass is just not very good in a modern civilization. Which I will be exploring in my next post… when I get the chance to finish it.

]]> By: Ben http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1667 Ben Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:27:24 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1667 Humans DO have an internal compass--the compass that was provided to us through evolution. A <a href="http://plektix.blogspot.com/2008/11/evolution-of-cooperation.html" rel="nofollow">large body of research</a> has shown that cooperative behaviors can evolve under the right circumstances, at least some of which were certainly present during human evolution. So it's not at all unreasonable to suggest that humans have some instinct to behave well towards each other, though the details of this instinct (in particular how it interacts with our competitive instincts) are unclear. Humans DO have an internal compass–the compass that was provided to us through evolution. A large body of research has shown that cooperative behaviors can evolve under the right circumstances, at least some of which were certainly present during human evolution. So it’s not at all unreasonable to suggest that humans have some instinct to behave well towards each other, though the details of this instinct (in particular how it interacts with our competitive instincts) are unclear.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1669 kevindick Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:18:51 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1669 I was actually planning on offering something along the lines of truth market assertions. Or offering to take the other side of bets by moral compassists if my model makes different predictions. I was actually planning on offering something along the lines of truth market assertions. Or offering to take the other side of bets by moral compassists if my model makes different predictions.

]]> By: rafefurst http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1668 rafefurst Sun, 04 Jan 2009 20:33:52 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1668 Looking forward to the empirical tests. Of course I will need to approve the setup before accepting the argument as valid :-) Looking forward to the empirical tests. Of course I will need to approve the setup before accepting the argument as valid :-)

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1672 kevindick Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:45:32 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1672 @Daniel. Yep, my next post is going to be about how selection pressure provided humans "incentive shortcuts" in the form of various hardwired behaviors. @Daniel. Yep, my next post is going to be about how selection pressure provided humans “incentive shortcuts” in the form of various hardwired behaviors.

]]> By: Daniel http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1671 Daniel Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:15:08 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1671 Incentives rule. Empathy is internally incentivized for evolutionary purposes. Incentives rule. Empathy is internally incentivized for evolutionary purposes.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1670 kevindick Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:23:43 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1670 @Jay. Unfortunately, in order to have public transportation, both my friend and the SUV driver would already have been taxed. I would endorse the SUV driver recovering his pro rata share of those taxes from all the public transit riders. Most recent public rail projects fail any kind of remotely reasonable cost benefit analysis. Buses usually dominate rail severalfold. The key is to always ask whether fares will be at least equal to operating costs under somewhat realistic assumptions. That gets rid of most projects. Then you have to see whether the excess will pay back the capital costs in less than 50 years. That gets rid of almost everything else. Heck, even if you give them a reasonable "carbon offset credit", they still don't make sense. @Jay. Unfortunately, in order to have public transportation, both my friend and the SUV driver would already have been taxed. I would endorse the SUV driver recovering his pro rata share of those taxes from all the public transit riders.

Most recent public rail projects fail any kind of remotely reasonable cost benefit analysis. Buses usually dominate rail severalfold. The key is to always ask whether fares will be at least equal to operating costs under somewhat realistic assumptions. That gets rid of most projects. Then you have to see whether the excess will pay back the capital costs in less than 50 years. That gets rid of almost everything else. Heck, even if you give them a reasonable “carbon offset credit”, they still don’t make sense.

]]> By: JAY http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1664 JAY Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:41:16 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1664 and let the SUV driver figure out how much harm your friend's use of public transportation does and then tax him. and let the SUV driver figure out how much harm your friend’s use of public transportation does and then tax him.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1667 Ben Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:27:24 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1667 Humans DO have an internal compass--the compass that was provided to us through evolution. A <a href="http://plektix.blogspot.com/2008/11/evolution-of-cooperation.html" rel="nofollow">large body of research</a> has shown that cooperative behaviors can evolve under the right circumstances, at least some of which were certainly present during human evolution. So it's not at all unreasonable to suggest that humans have some instinct to behave well towards each other, though the details of this instinct (in particular how it interacts with our competitive instincts) are unclear. Humans DO have an internal compass–the compass that was provided to us through evolution. A large body of research has shown that cooperative behaviors can evolve under the right circumstances, at least some of which were certainly present during human evolution. So it’s not at all unreasonable to suggest that humans have some instinct to behave well towards each other, though the details of this instinct (in particular how it interacts with our competitive instincts) are unclear.

]]> Comments on: Society According to Kevin: Introduction http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/ ...explorations in complex adaptive systems... Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:29:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Society According to Kevin: Part 1 « The Emergent Fool http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1665 Society According to Kevin: Part 1 « The Emergent Fool Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:33:18 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1665 [...] the comments on my Introduction to this series, it appears I have discovered a controversial topic. Good. My first objective will [...] [...] the comments on my Introduction to this series, it appears I have discovered a controversial topic. Good. My first objective will [...]

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1666 kevindick Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:47:16 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1666 @Ben. Yes, as I replied to Daniel, that is my thesis. This compass is just not very good in a modern civilization. Which I will be exploring in my next post... when I get the chance to finish it. @Ben. Yes, as I replied to Daniel, that is my thesis. This compass is just not very good in a modern civilization. Which I will be exploring in my next post… when I get the chance to finish it.

]]> By: Ben http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1667 Ben Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:27:24 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1667 Humans DO have an internal compass--the compass that was provided to us through evolution. A <a href="http://plektix.blogspot.com/2008/11/evolution-of-cooperation.html" rel="nofollow">large body of research</a> has shown that cooperative behaviors can evolve under the right circumstances, at least some of which were certainly present during human evolution. So it's not at all unreasonable to suggest that humans have some instinct to behave well towards each other, though the details of this instinct (in particular how it interacts with our competitive instincts) are unclear. Humans DO have an internal compass–the compass that was provided to us through evolution. A large body of research has shown that cooperative behaviors can evolve under the right circumstances, at least some of which were certainly present during human evolution. So it’s not at all unreasonable to suggest that humans have some instinct to behave well towards each other, though the details of this instinct (in particular how it interacts with our competitive instincts) are unclear.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1669 kevindick Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:18:51 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1669 I was actually planning on offering something along the lines of truth market assertions. Or offering to take the other side of bets by moral compassists if my model makes different predictions. I was actually planning on offering something along the lines of truth market assertions. Or offering to take the other side of bets by moral compassists if my model makes different predictions.

]]> By: rafefurst http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1668 rafefurst Sun, 04 Jan 2009 20:33:52 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1668 Looking forward to the empirical tests. Of course I will need to approve the setup before accepting the argument as valid :-) Looking forward to the empirical tests. Of course I will need to approve the setup before accepting the argument as valid :-)

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1672 kevindick Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:45:32 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1672 @Daniel. Yep, my next post is going to be about how selection pressure provided humans "incentive shortcuts" in the form of various hardwired behaviors. @Daniel. Yep, my next post is going to be about how selection pressure provided humans “incentive shortcuts” in the form of various hardwired behaviors.

]]> By: Daniel http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1671 Daniel Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:15:08 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1671 Incentives rule. Empathy is internally incentivized for evolutionary purposes. Incentives rule. Empathy is internally incentivized for evolutionary purposes.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1670 kevindick Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:23:43 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1670 @Jay. Unfortunately, in order to have public transportation, both my friend and the SUV driver would already have been taxed. I would endorse the SUV driver recovering his pro rata share of those taxes from all the public transit riders. Most recent public rail projects fail any kind of remotely reasonable cost benefit analysis. Buses usually dominate rail severalfold. The key is to always ask whether fares will be at least equal to operating costs under somewhat realistic assumptions. That gets rid of most projects. Then you have to see whether the excess will pay back the capital costs in less than 50 years. That gets rid of almost everything else. Heck, even if you give them a reasonable "carbon offset credit", they still don't make sense. @Jay. Unfortunately, in order to have public transportation, both my friend and the SUV driver would already have been taxed. I would endorse the SUV driver recovering his pro rata share of those taxes from all the public transit riders.

Most recent public rail projects fail any kind of remotely reasonable cost benefit analysis. Buses usually dominate rail severalfold. The key is to always ask whether fares will be at least equal to operating costs under somewhat realistic assumptions. That gets rid of most projects. Then you have to see whether the excess will pay back the capital costs in less than 50 years. That gets rid of almost everything else. Heck, even if you give them a reasonable “carbon offset credit”, they still don’t make sense.

]]> By: JAY http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1664 JAY Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:41:16 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1664 and let the SUV driver figure out how much harm your friend's use of public transportation does and then tax him. and let the SUV driver figure out how much harm your friend’s use of public transportation does and then tax him.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1669 kevindick Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:18:51 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1669 I was actually planning on offering something along the lines of truth market assertions. Or offering to take the other side of bets by moral compassists if my model makes different predictions. I was actually planning on offering something along the lines of truth market assertions. Or offering to take the other side of bets by moral compassists if my model makes different predictions.

]]> Comments on: Society According to Kevin: Introduction http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/ ...explorations in complex adaptive systems... Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:29:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Society According to Kevin: Part 1 « The Emergent Fool http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1665 Society According to Kevin: Part 1 « The Emergent Fool Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:33:18 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1665 [...] the comments on my Introduction to this series, it appears I have discovered a controversial topic. Good. My first objective will [...] [...] the comments on my Introduction to this series, it appears I have discovered a controversial topic. Good. My first objective will [...]

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1666 kevindick Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:47:16 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1666 @Ben. Yes, as I replied to Daniel, that is my thesis. This compass is just not very good in a modern civilization. Which I will be exploring in my next post... when I get the chance to finish it. @Ben. Yes, as I replied to Daniel, that is my thesis. This compass is just not very good in a modern civilization. Which I will be exploring in my next post… when I get the chance to finish it.

]]> By: Ben http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1667 Ben Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:27:24 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1667 Humans DO have an internal compass--the compass that was provided to us through evolution. A <a href="http://plektix.blogspot.com/2008/11/evolution-of-cooperation.html" rel="nofollow">large body of research</a> has shown that cooperative behaviors can evolve under the right circumstances, at least some of which were certainly present during human evolution. So it's not at all unreasonable to suggest that humans have some instinct to behave well towards each other, though the details of this instinct (in particular how it interacts with our competitive instincts) are unclear. Humans DO have an internal compass–the compass that was provided to us through evolution. A large body of research has shown that cooperative behaviors can evolve under the right circumstances, at least some of which were certainly present during human evolution. So it’s not at all unreasonable to suggest that humans have some instinct to behave well towards each other, though the details of this instinct (in particular how it interacts with our competitive instincts) are unclear.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1669 kevindick Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:18:51 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1669 I was actually planning on offering something along the lines of truth market assertions. Or offering to take the other side of bets by moral compassists if my model makes different predictions. I was actually planning on offering something along the lines of truth market assertions. Or offering to take the other side of bets by moral compassists if my model makes different predictions.

]]> By: rafefurst http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1668 rafefurst Sun, 04 Jan 2009 20:33:52 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1668 Looking forward to the empirical tests. Of course I will need to approve the setup before accepting the argument as valid :-) Looking forward to the empirical tests. Of course I will need to approve the setup before accepting the argument as valid :-)

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1672 kevindick Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:45:32 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1672 @Daniel. Yep, my next post is going to be about how selection pressure provided humans "incentive shortcuts" in the form of various hardwired behaviors. @Daniel. Yep, my next post is going to be about how selection pressure provided humans “incentive shortcuts” in the form of various hardwired behaviors.

]]> By: Daniel http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1671 Daniel Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:15:08 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1671 Incentives rule. Empathy is internally incentivized for evolutionary purposes. Incentives rule. Empathy is internally incentivized for evolutionary purposes.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1670 kevindick Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:23:43 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1670 @Jay. Unfortunately, in order to have public transportation, both my friend and the SUV driver would already have been taxed. I would endorse the SUV driver recovering his pro rata share of those taxes from all the public transit riders. Most recent public rail projects fail any kind of remotely reasonable cost benefit analysis. Buses usually dominate rail severalfold. The key is to always ask whether fares will be at least equal to operating costs under somewhat realistic assumptions. That gets rid of most projects. Then you have to see whether the excess will pay back the capital costs in less than 50 years. That gets rid of almost everything else. Heck, even if you give them a reasonable "carbon offset credit", they still don't make sense. @Jay. Unfortunately, in order to have public transportation, both my friend and the SUV driver would already have been taxed. I would endorse the SUV driver recovering his pro rata share of those taxes from all the public transit riders.

Most recent public rail projects fail any kind of remotely reasonable cost benefit analysis. Buses usually dominate rail severalfold. The key is to always ask whether fares will be at least equal to operating costs under somewhat realistic assumptions. That gets rid of most projects. Then you have to see whether the excess will pay back the capital costs in less than 50 years. That gets rid of almost everything else. Heck, even if you give them a reasonable “carbon offset credit”, they still don’t make sense.

]]> By: JAY http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1664 JAY Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:41:16 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1664 and let the SUV driver figure out how much harm your friend's use of public transportation does and then tax him. and let the SUV driver figure out how much harm your friend’s use of public transportation does and then tax him.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1668 rafefurst Sun, 04 Jan 2009 20:33:52 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1668 Looking forward to the empirical tests. Of course I will need to approve the setup before accepting the argument as valid :-) Looking forward to the empirical tests. Of course I will need to approve the setup before accepting the argument as valid :-)

]]> Comments on: Society According to Kevin: Introduction http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/ ...explorations in complex adaptive systems... Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:29:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Society According to Kevin: Part 1 « The Emergent Fool http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1665 Society According to Kevin: Part 1 « The Emergent Fool Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:33:18 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1665 [...] the comments on my Introduction to this series, it appears I have discovered a controversial topic. Good. My first objective will [...] [...] the comments on my Introduction to this series, it appears I have discovered a controversial topic. Good. My first objective will [...]

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1666 kevindick Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:47:16 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1666 @Ben. Yes, as I replied to Daniel, that is my thesis. This compass is just not very good in a modern civilization. Which I will be exploring in my next post... when I get the chance to finish it. @Ben. Yes, as I replied to Daniel, that is my thesis. This compass is just not very good in a modern civilization. Which I will be exploring in my next post… when I get the chance to finish it.

]]> By: Ben http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1667 Ben Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:27:24 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1667 Humans DO have an internal compass--the compass that was provided to us through evolution. A <a href="http://plektix.blogspot.com/2008/11/evolution-of-cooperation.html" rel="nofollow">large body of research</a> has shown that cooperative behaviors can evolve under the right circumstances, at least some of which were certainly present during human evolution. So it's not at all unreasonable to suggest that humans have some instinct to behave well towards each other, though the details of this instinct (in particular how it interacts with our competitive instincts) are unclear. Humans DO have an internal compass–the compass that was provided to us through evolution. A large body of research has shown that cooperative behaviors can evolve under the right circumstances, at least some of which were certainly present during human evolution. So it’s not at all unreasonable to suggest that humans have some instinct to behave well towards each other, though the details of this instinct (in particular how it interacts with our competitive instincts) are unclear.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1669 kevindick Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:18:51 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1669 I was actually planning on offering something along the lines of truth market assertions. Or offering to take the other side of bets by moral compassists if my model makes different predictions. I was actually planning on offering something along the lines of truth market assertions. Or offering to take the other side of bets by moral compassists if my model makes different predictions.

]]> By: rafefurst http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1668 rafefurst Sun, 04 Jan 2009 20:33:52 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1668 Looking forward to the empirical tests. Of course I will need to approve the setup before accepting the argument as valid :-) Looking forward to the empirical tests. Of course I will need to approve the setup before accepting the argument as valid :-)

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1672 kevindick Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:45:32 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1672 @Daniel. Yep, my next post is going to be about how selection pressure provided humans "incentive shortcuts" in the form of various hardwired behaviors. @Daniel. Yep, my next post is going to be about how selection pressure provided humans “incentive shortcuts” in the form of various hardwired behaviors.

]]> By: Daniel http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1671 Daniel Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:15:08 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1671 Incentives rule. Empathy is internally incentivized for evolutionary purposes. Incentives rule. Empathy is internally incentivized for evolutionary purposes.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1670 kevindick Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:23:43 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1670 @Jay. Unfortunately, in order to have public transportation, both my friend and the SUV driver would already have been taxed. I would endorse the SUV driver recovering his pro rata share of those taxes from all the public transit riders. Most recent public rail projects fail any kind of remotely reasonable cost benefit analysis. Buses usually dominate rail severalfold. The key is to always ask whether fares will be at least equal to operating costs under somewhat realistic assumptions. That gets rid of most projects. Then you have to see whether the excess will pay back the capital costs in less than 50 years. That gets rid of almost everything else. Heck, even if you give them a reasonable "carbon offset credit", they still don't make sense. @Jay. Unfortunately, in order to have public transportation, both my friend and the SUV driver would already have been taxed. I would endorse the SUV driver recovering his pro rata share of those taxes from all the public transit riders.

Most recent public rail projects fail any kind of remotely reasonable cost benefit analysis. Buses usually dominate rail severalfold. The key is to always ask whether fares will be at least equal to operating costs under somewhat realistic assumptions. That gets rid of most projects. Then you have to see whether the excess will pay back the capital costs in less than 50 years. That gets rid of almost everything else. Heck, even if you give them a reasonable “carbon offset credit”, they still don’t make sense.

]]> By: JAY http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1664 JAY Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:41:16 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1664 and let the SUV driver figure out how much harm your friend's use of public transportation does and then tax him. and let the SUV driver figure out how much harm your friend’s use of public transportation does and then tax him.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1672 kevindick Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:45:32 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1672 @Daniel. Yep, my next post is going to be about how selection pressure provided humans "incentive shortcuts" in the form of various hardwired behaviors. @Daniel. Yep, my next post is going to be about how selection pressure provided humans “incentive shortcuts” in the form of various hardwired behaviors.

]]> Comments on: Society According to Kevin: Introduction http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/ ...explorations in complex adaptive systems... Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:29:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Society According to Kevin: Part 1 « The Emergent Fool http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1665 Society According to Kevin: Part 1 « The Emergent Fool Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:33:18 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1665 [...] the comments on my Introduction to this series, it appears I have discovered a controversial topic. Good. My first objective will [...] [...] the comments on my Introduction to this series, it appears I have discovered a controversial topic. Good. My first objective will [...]

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1666 kevindick Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:47:16 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1666 @Ben. Yes, as I replied to Daniel, that is my thesis. This compass is just not very good in a modern civilization. Which I will be exploring in my next post... when I get the chance to finish it. @Ben. Yes, as I replied to Daniel, that is my thesis. This compass is just not very good in a modern civilization. Which I will be exploring in my next post… when I get the chance to finish it.

]]> By: Ben http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1667 Ben Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:27:24 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1667 Humans DO have an internal compass--the compass that was provided to us through evolution. A <a href="http://plektix.blogspot.com/2008/11/evolution-of-cooperation.html" rel="nofollow">large body of research</a> has shown that cooperative behaviors can evolve under the right circumstances, at least some of which were certainly present during human evolution. So it's not at all unreasonable to suggest that humans have some instinct to behave well towards each other, though the details of this instinct (in particular how it interacts with our competitive instincts) are unclear. Humans DO have an internal compass–the compass that was provided to us through evolution. A large body of research has shown that cooperative behaviors can evolve under the right circumstances, at least some of which were certainly present during human evolution. So it’s not at all unreasonable to suggest that humans have some instinct to behave well towards each other, though the details of this instinct (in particular how it interacts with our competitive instincts) are unclear.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1669 kevindick Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:18:51 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1669 I was actually planning on offering something along the lines of truth market assertions. Or offering to take the other side of bets by moral compassists if my model makes different predictions. I was actually planning on offering something along the lines of truth market assertions. Or offering to take the other side of bets by moral compassists if my model makes different predictions.

]]> By: rafefurst http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1668 rafefurst Sun, 04 Jan 2009 20:33:52 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1668 Looking forward to the empirical tests. Of course I will need to approve the setup before accepting the argument as valid :-) Looking forward to the empirical tests. Of course I will need to approve the setup before accepting the argument as valid :-)

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1672 kevindick Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:45:32 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1672 @Daniel. Yep, my next post is going to be about how selection pressure provided humans "incentive shortcuts" in the form of various hardwired behaviors. @Daniel. Yep, my next post is going to be about how selection pressure provided humans “incentive shortcuts” in the form of various hardwired behaviors.

]]> By: Daniel http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1671 Daniel Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:15:08 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1671 Incentives rule. Empathy is internally incentivized for evolutionary purposes. Incentives rule. Empathy is internally incentivized for evolutionary purposes.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1670 kevindick Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:23:43 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1670 @Jay. Unfortunately, in order to have public transportation, both my friend and the SUV driver would already have been taxed. I would endorse the SUV driver recovering his pro rata share of those taxes from all the public transit riders. Most recent public rail projects fail any kind of remotely reasonable cost benefit analysis. Buses usually dominate rail severalfold. The key is to always ask whether fares will be at least equal to operating costs under somewhat realistic assumptions. That gets rid of most projects. Then you have to see whether the excess will pay back the capital costs in less than 50 years. That gets rid of almost everything else. Heck, even if you give them a reasonable "carbon offset credit", they still don't make sense. @Jay. Unfortunately, in order to have public transportation, both my friend and the SUV driver would already have been taxed. I would endorse the SUV driver recovering his pro rata share of those taxes from all the public transit riders.

Most recent public rail projects fail any kind of remotely reasonable cost benefit analysis. Buses usually dominate rail severalfold. The key is to always ask whether fares will be at least equal to operating costs under somewhat realistic assumptions. That gets rid of most projects. Then you have to see whether the excess will pay back the capital costs in less than 50 years. That gets rid of almost everything else. Heck, even if you give them a reasonable “carbon offset credit”, they still don’t make sense.

]]> By: JAY http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1664 JAY Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:41:16 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1664 and let the SUV driver figure out how much harm your friend's use of public transportation does and then tax him. and let the SUV driver figure out how much harm your friend’s use of public transportation does and then tax him.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1671 Daniel Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:15:08 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1671 Incentives rule. Empathy is internally incentivized for evolutionary purposes. Incentives rule. Empathy is internally incentivized for evolutionary purposes.

]]> Comments on: Society According to Kevin: Introduction http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/ ...explorations in complex adaptive systems... Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:29:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Society According to Kevin: Part 1 « The Emergent Fool http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1665 Society According to Kevin: Part 1 « The Emergent Fool Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:33:18 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1665 [...] the comments on my Introduction to this series, it appears I have discovered a controversial topic. Good. My first objective will [...] [...] the comments on my Introduction to this series, it appears I have discovered a controversial topic. Good. My first objective will [...]

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1666 kevindick Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:47:16 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1666 @Ben. Yes, as I replied to Daniel, that is my thesis. This compass is just not very good in a modern civilization. Which I will be exploring in my next post... when I get the chance to finish it. @Ben. Yes, as I replied to Daniel, that is my thesis. This compass is just not very good in a modern civilization. Which I will be exploring in my next post… when I get the chance to finish it.

]]> By: Ben http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1667 Ben Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:27:24 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1667 Humans DO have an internal compass--the compass that was provided to us through evolution. A <a href="http://plektix.blogspot.com/2008/11/evolution-of-cooperation.html" rel="nofollow">large body of research</a> has shown that cooperative behaviors can evolve under the right circumstances, at least some of which were certainly present during human evolution. So it's not at all unreasonable to suggest that humans have some instinct to behave well towards each other, though the details of this instinct (in particular how it interacts with our competitive instincts) are unclear. Humans DO have an internal compass–the compass that was provided to us through evolution. A large body of research has shown that cooperative behaviors can evolve under the right circumstances, at least some of which were certainly present during human evolution. So it’s not at all unreasonable to suggest that humans have some instinct to behave well towards each other, though the details of this instinct (in particular how it interacts with our competitive instincts) are unclear.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1669 kevindick Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:18:51 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1669 I was actually planning on offering something along the lines of truth market assertions. Or offering to take the other side of bets by moral compassists if my model makes different predictions. I was actually planning on offering something along the lines of truth market assertions. Or offering to take the other side of bets by moral compassists if my model makes different predictions.

]]> By: rafefurst http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1668 rafefurst Sun, 04 Jan 2009 20:33:52 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1668 Looking forward to the empirical tests. Of course I will need to approve the setup before accepting the argument as valid :-) Looking forward to the empirical tests. Of course I will need to approve the setup before accepting the argument as valid :-)

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1672 kevindick Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:45:32 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1672 @Daniel. Yep, my next post is going to be about how selection pressure provided humans "incentive shortcuts" in the form of various hardwired behaviors. @Daniel. Yep, my next post is going to be about how selection pressure provided humans “incentive shortcuts” in the form of various hardwired behaviors.

]]> By: Daniel http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1671 Daniel Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:15:08 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1671 Incentives rule. Empathy is internally incentivized for evolutionary purposes. Incentives rule. Empathy is internally incentivized for evolutionary purposes.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1670 kevindick Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:23:43 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1670 @Jay. Unfortunately, in order to have public transportation, both my friend and the SUV driver would already have been taxed. I would endorse the SUV driver recovering his pro rata share of those taxes from all the public transit riders. Most recent public rail projects fail any kind of remotely reasonable cost benefit analysis. Buses usually dominate rail severalfold. The key is to always ask whether fares will be at least equal to operating costs under somewhat realistic assumptions. That gets rid of most projects. Then you have to see whether the excess will pay back the capital costs in less than 50 years. That gets rid of almost everything else. Heck, even if you give them a reasonable "carbon offset credit", they still don't make sense. @Jay. Unfortunately, in order to have public transportation, both my friend and the SUV driver would already have been taxed. I would endorse the SUV driver recovering his pro rata share of those taxes from all the public transit riders.

Most recent public rail projects fail any kind of remotely reasonable cost benefit analysis. Buses usually dominate rail severalfold. The key is to always ask whether fares will be at least equal to operating costs under somewhat realistic assumptions. That gets rid of most projects. Then you have to see whether the excess will pay back the capital costs in less than 50 years. That gets rid of almost everything else. Heck, even if you give them a reasonable “carbon offset credit”, they still don’t make sense.

]]> By: JAY http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1664 JAY Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:41:16 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1664 and let the SUV driver figure out how much harm your friend's use of public transportation does and then tax him. and let the SUV driver figure out how much harm your friend’s use of public transportation does and then tax him.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1670 kevindick Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:23:43 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1670 @Jay. Unfortunately, in order to have public transportation, both my friend and the SUV driver would already have been taxed. I would endorse the SUV driver recovering his pro rata share of those taxes from all the public transit riders. Most recent public rail projects fail any kind of remotely reasonable cost benefit analysis. Buses usually dominate rail severalfold. The key is to always ask whether fares will be at least equal to operating costs under somewhat realistic assumptions. That gets rid of most projects. Then you have to see whether the excess will pay back the capital costs in less than 50 years. That gets rid of almost everything else. Heck, even if you give them a reasonable "carbon offset credit", they still don't make sense. @Jay. Unfortunately, in order to have public transportation, both my friend and the SUV driver would already have been taxed. I would endorse the SUV driver recovering his pro rata share of those taxes from all the public transit riders.

Most recent public rail projects fail any kind of remotely reasonable cost benefit analysis. Buses usually dominate rail severalfold. The key is to always ask whether fares will be at least equal to operating costs under somewhat realistic assumptions. That gets rid of most projects. Then you have to see whether the excess will pay back the capital costs in less than 50 years. That gets rid of almost everything else. Heck, even if you give them a reasonable “carbon offset credit”, they still don’t make sense.

]]> Comments on: Society According to Kevin: Introduction http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/ ...explorations in complex adaptive systems... Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:29:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Society According to Kevin: Part 1 « The Emergent Fool http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1665 Society According to Kevin: Part 1 « The Emergent Fool Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:33:18 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1665 [...] the comments on my Introduction to this series, it appears I have discovered a controversial topic. Good. My first objective will [...] [...] the comments on my Introduction to this series, it appears I have discovered a controversial topic. Good. My first objective will [...]

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1666 kevindick Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:47:16 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1666 @Ben. Yes, as I replied to Daniel, that is my thesis. This compass is just not very good in a modern civilization. Which I will be exploring in my next post... when I get the chance to finish it. @Ben. Yes, as I replied to Daniel, that is my thesis. This compass is just not very good in a modern civilization. Which I will be exploring in my next post… when I get the chance to finish it.

]]> By: Ben http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1667 Ben Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:27:24 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1667 Humans DO have an internal compass--the compass that was provided to us through evolution. A <a href="http://plektix.blogspot.com/2008/11/evolution-of-cooperation.html" rel="nofollow">large body of research</a> has shown that cooperative behaviors can evolve under the right circumstances, at least some of which were certainly present during human evolution. So it's not at all unreasonable to suggest that humans have some instinct to behave well towards each other, though the details of this instinct (in particular how it interacts with our competitive instincts) are unclear. Humans DO have an internal compass–the compass that was provided to us through evolution. A large body of research has shown that cooperative behaviors can evolve under the right circumstances, at least some of which were certainly present during human evolution. So it’s not at all unreasonable to suggest that humans have some instinct to behave well towards each other, though the details of this instinct (in particular how it interacts with our competitive instincts) are unclear.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1669 kevindick Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:18:51 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1669 I was actually planning on offering something along the lines of truth market assertions. Or offering to take the other side of bets by moral compassists if my model makes different predictions. I was actually planning on offering something along the lines of truth market assertions. Or offering to take the other side of bets by moral compassists if my model makes different predictions.

]]> By: rafefurst http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1668 rafefurst Sun, 04 Jan 2009 20:33:52 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1668 Looking forward to the empirical tests. Of course I will need to approve the setup before accepting the argument as valid :-) Looking forward to the empirical tests. Of course I will need to approve the setup before accepting the argument as valid :-)

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1672 kevindick Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:45:32 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1672 @Daniel. Yep, my next post is going to be about how selection pressure provided humans "incentive shortcuts" in the form of various hardwired behaviors. @Daniel. Yep, my next post is going to be about how selection pressure provided humans “incentive shortcuts” in the form of various hardwired behaviors.

]]> By: Daniel http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1671 Daniel Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:15:08 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1671 Incentives rule. Empathy is internally incentivized for evolutionary purposes. Incentives rule. Empathy is internally incentivized for evolutionary purposes.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1670 kevindick Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:23:43 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1670 @Jay. Unfortunately, in order to have public transportation, both my friend and the SUV driver would already have been taxed. I would endorse the SUV driver recovering his pro rata share of those taxes from all the public transit riders. Most recent public rail projects fail any kind of remotely reasonable cost benefit analysis. Buses usually dominate rail severalfold. The key is to always ask whether fares will be at least equal to operating costs under somewhat realistic assumptions. That gets rid of most projects. Then you have to see whether the excess will pay back the capital costs in less than 50 years. That gets rid of almost everything else. Heck, even if you give them a reasonable "carbon offset credit", they still don't make sense. @Jay. Unfortunately, in order to have public transportation, both my friend and the SUV driver would already have been taxed. I would endorse the SUV driver recovering his pro rata share of those taxes from all the public transit riders.

Most recent public rail projects fail any kind of remotely reasonable cost benefit analysis. Buses usually dominate rail severalfold. The key is to always ask whether fares will be at least equal to operating costs under somewhat realistic assumptions. That gets rid of most projects. Then you have to see whether the excess will pay back the capital costs in less than 50 years. That gets rid of almost everything else. Heck, even if you give them a reasonable “carbon offset credit”, they still don’t make sense.

]]> By: JAY http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1664 JAY Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:41:16 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1664 and let the SUV driver figure out how much harm your friend's use of public transportation does and then tax him. and let the SUV driver figure out how much harm your friend’s use of public transportation does and then tax him.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1664 JAY Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:41:16 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1664 and let the SUV driver figure out how much harm your friend's use of public transportation does and then tax him. and let the SUV driver figure out how much harm your friend’s use of public transportation does and then tax him.

]]> Comments on: Society According to Kevin: Introduction http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/ ...explorations in complex adaptive systems... Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:29:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Society According to Kevin: Part 1 « The Emergent Fool http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1665 Society According to Kevin: Part 1 « The Emergent Fool Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:33:18 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1665 [...] the comments on my Introduction to this series, it appears I have discovered a controversial topic. Good. My first objective will [...] [...] the comments on my Introduction to this series, it appears I have discovered a controversial topic. Good. My first objective will [...]

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1666 kevindick Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:47:16 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1666 @Ben. Yes, as I replied to Daniel, that is my thesis. This compass is just not very good in a modern civilization. Which I will be exploring in my next post... when I get the chance to finish it. @Ben. Yes, as I replied to Daniel, that is my thesis. This compass is just not very good in a modern civilization. Which I will be exploring in my next post… when I get the chance to finish it.

]]> By: Ben http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1667 Ben Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:27:24 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1667 Humans DO have an internal compass--the compass that was provided to us through evolution. A <a href="http://plektix.blogspot.com/2008/11/evolution-of-cooperation.html" rel="nofollow">large body of research</a> has shown that cooperative behaviors can evolve under the right circumstances, at least some of which were certainly present during human evolution. So it's not at all unreasonable to suggest that humans have some instinct to behave well towards each other, though the details of this instinct (in particular how it interacts with our competitive instincts) are unclear. Humans DO have an internal compass–the compass that was provided to us through evolution. A large body of research has shown that cooperative behaviors can evolve under the right circumstances, at least some of which were certainly present during human evolution. So it’s not at all unreasonable to suggest that humans have some instinct to behave well towards each other, though the details of this instinct (in particular how it interacts with our competitive instincts) are unclear.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1669 kevindick Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:18:51 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1669 I was actually planning on offering something along the lines of truth market assertions. Or offering to take the other side of bets by moral compassists if my model makes different predictions. I was actually planning on offering something along the lines of truth market assertions. Or offering to take the other side of bets by moral compassists if my model makes different predictions.

]]> By: rafefurst http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1668 rafefurst Sun, 04 Jan 2009 20:33:52 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1668 Looking forward to the empirical tests. Of course I will need to approve the setup before accepting the argument as valid :-) Looking forward to the empirical tests. Of course I will need to approve the setup before accepting the argument as valid :-)

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1672 kevindick Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:45:32 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1672 @Daniel. Yep, my next post is going to be about how selection pressure provided humans "incentive shortcuts" in the form of various hardwired behaviors. @Daniel. Yep, my next post is going to be about how selection pressure provided humans “incentive shortcuts” in the form of various hardwired behaviors.

]]> By: Daniel http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1671 Daniel Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:15:08 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1671 Incentives rule. Empathy is internally incentivized for evolutionary purposes. Incentives rule. Empathy is internally incentivized for evolutionary purposes.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1670 kevindick Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:23:43 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1670 @Jay. Unfortunately, in order to have public transportation, both my friend and the SUV driver would already have been taxed. I would endorse the SUV driver recovering his pro rata share of those taxes from all the public transit riders. Most recent public rail projects fail any kind of remotely reasonable cost benefit analysis. Buses usually dominate rail severalfold. The key is to always ask whether fares will be at least equal to operating costs under somewhat realistic assumptions. That gets rid of most projects. Then you have to see whether the excess will pay back the capital costs in less than 50 years. That gets rid of almost everything else. Heck, even if you give them a reasonable "carbon offset credit", they still don't make sense. @Jay. Unfortunately, in order to have public transportation, both my friend and the SUV driver would already have been taxed. I would endorse the SUV driver recovering his pro rata share of those taxes from all the public transit riders.

Most recent public rail projects fail any kind of remotely reasonable cost benefit analysis. Buses usually dominate rail severalfold. The key is to always ask whether fares will be at least equal to operating costs under somewhat realistic assumptions. That gets rid of most projects. Then you have to see whether the excess will pay back the capital costs in less than 50 years. That gets rid of almost everything else. Heck, even if you give them a reasonable “carbon offset credit”, they still don’t make sense.

]]> By: JAY http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1664 JAY Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:41:16 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1664 and let the SUV driver figure out how much harm your friend's use of public transportation does and then tax him. and let the SUV driver figure out how much harm your friend’s use of public transportation does and then tax him.

]]> By: kevindick http://emergentfool.com/2009/01/02/society-according-to-kevin-introduction/#comment-1663 kevindick Sat, 03 Jan 2009 00:56:29 +0000 http://rafefurst.wordpress.com/?p=937#comment-1663 Jumping the gun a little bit, aren't you Rafe? We know each other pretty well, but surely your prior should be reasonably high that I will offer something in a series of substantive posts that you haven't anticipated :-) I was actually planning to deconstruct this concept of moral intuition quite a bit more than you think. Also, this isn't a matter of "convincing". I've said I will put my model against the alternative in a test. Jumping the gun a little bit, aren’t you Rafe? We know each other pretty well, but surely your prior should be reasonably high that I will offer something in a series of substantive posts that you haven’t anticipated :-)

I was actually planning to deconstruct this concept of moral intuition quite a bit more than you think. Also, this isn’t a matter of “convincing”. I’ve said I will put my model against the alternative in a test.

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