Comments on: Disgusted with the California Budget http://emergentfool.com/2009/05/19/disgusted-with-the-california-budget/ ...explorations in complex adaptive systems... Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:50:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: The California Bankruptcy Experiment | Pontificus http://emergentfool.com/2009/05/19/disgusted-with-the-california-budget/#comment-4868 The California Bankruptcy Experiment | Pontificus Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:37:29 +0000 http://emergentfool.com/?p=1606#comment-4868 [...] Disgusted with the California Budget ↩ [...] [...] Disgusted with the California Budget ↩ [...]

]]> By: More on the California State Budget « The Emergent Fool http://emergentfool.com/2009/05/19/disgusted-with-the-california-budget/#comment-2092 More on the California State Budget « The Emergent Fool Tue, 26 May 2009 02:27:49 +0000 http://emergentfool.com/?p=1606#comment-2092 [...] 25, 2009 by kevindick A number of people responded to my recent post on the California budget. So I thought I’d dig a little deeper into the issue. The three [...] [...] 25, 2009 by kevindick A number of people responded to my recent post on the California budget. So I thought I’d dig a little deeper into the issue. The three [...]

]]> By: ace http://emergentfool.com/2009/05/19/disgusted-with-the-california-budget/#comment-2091 ace Sat, 23 May 2009 13:10:07 +0000 http://emergentfool.com/?p=1606#comment-2091 @Terrence $8200 per pupil for education. If we estimate there are 30 kids per class then each teacher is "generating" $246,000 in revenue! Let's subtract their salary of $30k. "Rent" for a space of 1000 square feet would be another $30k. $5k for furniture and $5k for supplies leaves $170,000 left over per classroom. Let's assume that there are 20 classrooms per school. We have $3,400,000. We need some custodial help and say two managers. Call that another $150,000 in salaries. Anyway you see where I am going...this is a business I want to be in! @Terrence $8200 per pupil for education. If we estimate there are 30 kids per class then each teacher is “generating” $246,000 in revenue! Let’s subtract their salary of $30k. “Rent” for a space of 1000 square feet would be another $30k. $5k for furniture and $5k for supplies leaves $170,000 left over per classroom.

Let’s assume that there are 20 classrooms per school. We have $3,400,000. We need some custodial help and say two managers. Call that another $150,000 in salaries.

Anyway you see where I am going…this is a business I want to be in!

]]> By: Jay Greenspan http://emergentfool.com/2009/05/19/disgusted-with-the-california-budget/#comment-2090 Jay Greenspan Fri, 22 May 2009 21:56:15 +0000 http://emergentfool.com/?p=1606#comment-2090 @Terence: do you happen to know how these numbers were impacted by No Child Left Behind and/or Prop 13? It seems to make intuitive sense that the combination of Federal mandate and a lack of any ability to raise money through property taxes, the typical source in this nation, would put the burden on the state government. I'd also be curious to see what impact rising health care costs have had overall. I tend to think that the increased cost of insuring state workers and caring for the uninsured over this time would be a terrible burden. @Terence: do you happen to know how these numbers were impacted by No Child Left Behind and/or Prop 13?

It seems to make intuitive sense that the combination of Federal mandate and a lack of any ability to raise money through property taxes, the typical source in this nation, would put the burden on the state government.

I’d also be curious to see what impact rising health care costs have had overall. I tend to think that the increased cost of insuring state workers and caring for the uninsured over this time would be a terrible burden.

]]> By: danielhorowitz http://emergentfool.com/2009/05/19/disgusted-with-the-california-budget/#comment-2093 danielhorowitz Thu, 21 May 2009 14:44:46 +0000 http://emergentfool.com/?p=1606#comment-2093 I think most states have significant increases in education expenditures over this time period. I think most states have significant increases in education expenditures over this time period.

]]> By: rafefurst http://emergentfool.com/2009/05/19/disgusted-with-the-california-budget/#comment-2094 rafefurst Thu, 21 May 2009 03:56:24 +0000 http://emergentfool.com/?p=1606#comment-2094 The kids part should be a good thing, one would think. Is there any indication that the education system in CA is getting better since the increase? The kids part should be a good thing, one would think. Is there any indication that the education system in CA is getting better since the increase?

]]> By: Terence http://emergentfool.com/2009/05/19/disgusted-with-the-california-budget/#comment-2096 Terence Wed, 20 May 2009 18:09:37 +0000 http://emergentfool.com/?p=1606#comment-2096 So, I took at look at the state budget numbers (which won't indicate where any local spending increases may have come from), and here's an initial conclusion: kids and criminals. The state general fund spent about $58B in 1999, and about $90B in 2006. The biggest source of increased spending is kids and criminals. In 1999, per pupil K-14 spending was $5752. By 2006, this had become $8244. K-14 makes up the largest chunk of state spending, clocking in at $55B in 2006. Another interesting increase is the cost of incarceration in CA. Judiciary and criminal justice cost the state about $6.4B in 1999, and had grown to over $12B by 2006. (There is upcoming non-discretionary spending coming up here because of the ruling that CA prisons have to build new health care facilities, which is going to tack somewhere around $8B to that number.) So, I took at look at the state budget numbers (which won’t indicate where any local spending increases may have come from), and here’s an initial conclusion: kids and criminals. The state general fund spent about $58B in 1999, and about $90B in 2006. The biggest source of increased spending is kids and criminals. In 1999, per pupil K-14 spending was $5752. By 2006, this had become $8244. K-14 makes up the largest chunk of state spending, clocking in at $55B in 2006.

Another interesting increase is the cost of incarceration in CA. Judiciary and criminal justice cost the state about $6.4B in 1999, and had grown to over $12B by 2006. (There is upcoming non-discretionary spending coming up here because of the ruling that CA prisons have to build new health care facilities, which is going to tack somewhere around $8B to that number.)

]]> By: rafefurst http://emergentfool.com/2009/05/19/disgusted-with-the-california-budget/#comment-2095 rafefurst Wed, 20 May 2009 06:15:15 +0000 http://emergentfool.com/?p=1606#comment-2095 Nice analysis. So where is the extra 38% going to? Nice analysis.

So where is the extra 38% going to?

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