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	<title>Comments on: Cancer as a Complex Adaptive System</title>
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	<description>...explorations in complex adaptive systems...</description>
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		<title>By: Rafe Furst</title>
		<link>http://emergentfool.com/2009/07/22/cancer-as-a-complex-adaptive-system/#comment-6092</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafe Furst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don&#039;t you post a link to the full text?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t you post a link to the full text?</p>
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		<title>By: M Tez</title>
		<link>http://emergentfool.com/2009/07/22/cancer-as-a-complex-adaptive-system/#comment-5871</link>
		<dc:creator>M Tez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please read this article
Med Hypotheses. 2006;66(4):859-60. Epub 2005 Dec 20.

Cancer as a chaotic adaptation of the adult stem cell.
Tez M, Koç M, Bilgin A.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please read this article<br />
Med Hypotheses. 2006;66(4):859-60. Epub 2005 Dec 20.</p>
<p>Cancer as a chaotic adaptation of the adult stem cell.<br />
Tez M, Koç M, Bilgin A.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Diaz</title>
		<link>http://emergentfool.com/2009/07/22/cancer-as-a-complex-adaptive-system/#comment-2364</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Diaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had something to say about cancer a long time ago.  View on YouTube at:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxclXwYzT4U</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had something to say about cancer a long time ago.  View on YouTube at:  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxclXwYzT4U" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxclXwYzT4U</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Diaz</title>
		<link>http://emergentfool.com/2009/07/22/cancer-as-a-complex-adaptive-system/#comment-2479</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Diaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had something to say about cancer a long time ago.  View on YouTube at:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxclXwYzT4U</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had something to say about cancer a long time ago.  View on YouTube at:  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxclXwYzT4U" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxclXwYzT4U</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alex Golubev</title>
		<link>http://emergentfool.com/2009/07/22/cancer-as-a-complex-adaptive-system/#comment-2225</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Golubev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure how to share this with you guys correctly, but there are a bunch of articles about chaos and complexity in the brain here:
http://www.bookforum.com/blog/archive/20090811#entry4246</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure how to share this with you guys correctly, but there are a bunch of articles about chaos and complexity in the brain here:<br />
<a href="http://www.bookforum.com/blog/archive/20090811#entry4246" rel="nofollow">http://www.bookforum.com/blog/archive/20090811#entry4246</a></p>
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		<title>By: rafefurst</title>
		<link>http://emergentfool.com/2009/07/22/cancer-as-a-complex-adaptive-system/#comment-2224</link>
		<dc:creator>rafefurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@plektix, prevent whom from evolving as individual entities?  And when you say &quot;evolve&quot; do you mean it in the technical (Darwinian) sense or do you mean develop?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@plektix, prevent whom from evolving as individual entities?  And when you say &#8220;evolve&#8221; do you mean it in the technical (Darwinian) sense or do you mean develop?</p>
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		<title>By: plektix</title>
		<link>http://emergentfool.com/2009/07/22/cancer-as-a-complex-adaptive-system/#comment-2223</link>
		<dc:creator>plektix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@rafe: My proposed definition of cancer: When cells override the body&#039;s mechanisms that prevent them from evolving as individual entities.

I don&#039;t specifically know how it kills people, but such a process has obvious negative consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@rafe: My proposed definition of cancer: When cells override the body&#8217;s mechanisms that prevent them from evolving as individual entities.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t specifically know how it kills people, but such a process has obvious negative consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: danielhorowitz</title>
		<link>http://emergentfool.com/2009/07/22/cancer-as-a-complex-adaptive-system/#comment-2233</link>
		<dc:creator>danielhorowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 22:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@FoolsGold - I think to some extent, aging causes Cancer, and to some extent Cancer causes aging. But, many things cause Cancer, and many things cause aging. So aging and Cancer are but one component of each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@FoolsGold &#8211; I think to some extent, aging causes Cancer, and to some extent Cancer causes aging. But, many things cause Cancer, and many things cause aging. So aging and Cancer are but one component of each other.</p>
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		<title>By: FoolsGold</title>
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		<dc:creator>FoolsGold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 10:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Often ignored are the Tumor As Fetus aspects and the Does Cancer Cause Aging or does Aging Cause Cancer question.

I think medicine has lost sight of the fact that people who &quot;die of caner&quot; really die of systemic burdens imposed by pathogen proliferation.

Oncologists focus on &quot;reducing tumor burden&quot; but never tell the patient that reducing the size or number of his tumors does not necessarily extend his life one bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Often ignored are the Tumor As Fetus aspects and the Does Cancer Cause Aging or does Aging Cause Cancer question.</p>
<p>I think medicine has lost sight of the fact that people who &#8220;die of caner&#8221; really die of systemic burdens imposed by pathogen proliferation.</p>
<p>Oncologists focus on &#8220;reducing tumor burden&#8221; but never tell the patient that reducing the size or number of his tumors does not necessarily extend his life one bit.</p>
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		<title>By: rafefurst</title>
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		<dc:creator>rafefurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 00:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, it&#039;s such a simple and obvious question but one that gets to the heart of our collective ignorance about the disease.  I ask researchers a similar question (&quot;what is cancer?&quot;) and the answers are not very satisfying in terms of completeness and sometimes contradictory.  So it&#039;s not surprising that your question is tough to get a satisfying answer to as well.

Perhaps the best place that explains cancer without over-simplifying is &lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?id=RQfLWXMcVlsC&amp;dq=arnold+glazier+cure&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=03X_E-Iq_e&amp;sig=7zZZb4VhOgeYAHfBVhTm2H4LaKQ&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=BZxrSsDjG4uOsgOV5oWXBQ&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=3&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Arny Glazier&#039;s book&lt;/a&gt;.

In my current understanding, there is an element of all three of the alternatives, and many other factors as well in terms of what kills you about cancer.  In some ways it&#039;s better to ask, how does normal multicellular life work and sustain itself?  At the highest level of abstraction, I view cancer as the autocatalytic unwinding -- or the photo negative -- of multicellular life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, it&#8217;s such a simple and obvious question but one that gets to the heart of our collective ignorance about the disease.  I ask researchers a similar question (&#8220;what is cancer?&#8221;) and the answers are not very satisfying in terms of completeness and sometimes contradictory.  So it&#8217;s not surprising that your question is tough to get a satisfying answer to as well.</p>
<p>Perhaps the best place that explains cancer without over-simplifying is <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=RQfLWXMcVlsC&amp;dq=arnold+glazier+cure&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=03X_E-Iq_e&amp;sig=7zZZb4VhOgeYAHfBVhTm2H4LaKQ&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=BZxrSsDjG4uOsgOV5oWXBQ&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=3" rel="nofollow">Arny Glazier&#8217;s book</a>.</p>
<p>In my current understanding, there is an element of all three of the alternatives, and many other factors as well in terms of what kills you about cancer.  In some ways it&#8217;s better to ask, how does normal multicellular life work and sustain itself?  At the highest level of abstraction, I view cancer as the autocatalytic unwinding &#8212; or the photo negative &#8212; of multicellular life.</p>
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