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		<title>By: Alex Golubev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Golubev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 00:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DWCrmcm</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWCrmcm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautifully encapsulated. I agree completely.

and my vote goes to the pendulum as the starting metaphor.

Really you took the words out of my mouth.

Game theory bound to aggregates of pendulums.

Sound weird?

As flow increases through such an aggregate you will see emergent behavior.

This I Promise.

I would love to see such a construct in action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautifully encapsulated. I agree completely.</p>
<p>and my vote goes to the pendulum as the starting metaphor.</p>
<p>Really you took the words out of my mouth.</p>
<p>Game theory bound to aggregates of pendulums.</p>
<p>Sound weird?</p>
<p>As flow increases through such an aggregate you will see emergent behavior.</p>
<p>This I Promise.</p>
<p>I would love to see such a construct in action.</p>
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		<title>By: DWCrmcm</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWCrmcm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:-)
Not code, NeoRationalist Jargon.

http://rationalmechanisms.com/lexicon

AI cannot be programmed. To approach AI we need to provide an inorganic metabolism in which it can flourish.

There is no digital equivalent to organic intelligence, because &quot;code&quot; lacks Causal Constraints. 

Nonetheless, we can use &quot;gate&quot; &quot;bits&quot; technology to mimic both the electro and chemical values passed around the brain.
For instance 128 bit pathways may be large enough to encapsulate meaningful analogs to the electrochemical metabolism of the brain. The micro processor can be simplified to add, compare, divert, aggregate, and create pathways when it is bound to each 128 bit aggregate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>:-)<br />
Not code, NeoRationalist Jargon.</p>
<p><a href="http://rationalmechanisms.com/lexicon" rel="nofollow">http://rationalmechanisms.com/lexicon</a></p>
<p>AI cannot be programmed. To approach AI we need to provide an inorganic metabolism in which it can flourish.</p>
<p>There is no digital equivalent to organic intelligence, because &#8220;code&#8221; lacks Causal Constraints. </p>
<p>Nonetheless, we can use &#8220;gate&#8221; &#8220;bits&#8221; technology to mimic both the electro and chemical values passed around the brain.<br />
For instance 128 bit pathways may be large enough to encapsulate meaningful analogs to the electrochemical metabolism of the brain. The micro processor can be simplified to add, compare, divert, aggregate, and create pathways when it is bound to each 128 bit aggregate.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Golubev</title>
		<link>http://emergentfool.com/2009/11/18/truthocracy-part-ii-discovering-truth-and-experts/#comment-5881</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Golubev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Density CAN become overwhelming, but it&#039;s the complete lack of density that is nonexistence.  We cannot know if we&#039;re human or AI and thus while nonexistence is theoretically possible and imminent, the road to it is infinite.  1/0.  However if you&#039;re the only one on the journey, then you are nonexistent, so slow down your teachers and speed up your students while shortening the lead time to as close to the present as possible... Balancing the Future and the Present is the key to infinite existence. Primer &quot;game theory&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Density CAN become overwhelming, but it&#8217;s the complete lack of density that is nonexistence.  We cannot know if we&#8217;re human or AI and thus while nonexistence is theoretically possible and imminent, the road to it is infinite.  1/0.  However if you&#8217;re the only one on the journey, then you are nonexistent, so slow down your teachers and speed up your students while shortening the lead time to as close to the present as possible&#8230; Balancing the Future and the Present is the key to infinite existence. Primer &#8220;game theory&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Rafe Furst</title>
		<link>http://emergentfool.com/2009/11/18/truthocracy-part-ii-discovering-truth-and-experts/#comment-5866</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafe Furst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 07:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still speaking in code, dude.  Bring it down to Earth so us earthlings can understand you :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still speaking in code, dude.  Bring it down to Earth so us earthlings can understand you :-)</p>
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		<title>By: DWCrmcm</title>
		<link>http://emergentfool.com/2009/11/18/truthocracy-part-ii-discovering-truth-and-experts/#comment-5848</link>
		<dc:creator>DWCrmcm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your reply precipitated the idea that I need to deal with juxtapositions.
PurityDiversity
AcquisitionExpression
FormFunction

Thank you

&quot;Memento&quot; is a problem when quantifying abstractions.
Maybe some mechanism for breadcrumbs would be helpful.

Knowing and experience?

I prefer the encapsulation: matching experience to capacity.

There is also the difficulty of recall and context.

Consider, if you will, polymorphic multi-behavioral containers. One can increase density through behavior by utilizing an orchestrated or polymorphic density. 
There is a density &quot;of kind&quot;.

Consider, if you will, juxtaposing likedislike, these two are primary polymorphic multi-behavioral containers.
The density could become quickly overwhelming.

This is where I suspect a hierarchical statistical method might find useful expression.

Densities in &quot;three dimensions&quot;. Maybe sets of sets. I don&#039;t know really just a method of building and behaving within what is built.
Query the query?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your reply precipitated the idea that I need to deal with juxtapositions.<br />
PurityDiversity<br />
AcquisitionExpression<br />
FormFunction</p>
<p>Thank you</p>
<p>&#8220;Memento&#8221; is a problem when quantifying abstractions.<br />
Maybe some mechanism for breadcrumbs would be helpful.</p>
<p>Knowing and experience?</p>
<p>I prefer the encapsulation: matching experience to capacity.</p>
<p>There is also the difficulty of recall and context.</p>
<p>Consider, if you will, polymorphic multi-behavioral containers. One can increase density through behavior by utilizing an orchestrated or polymorphic density.<br />
There is a density &#8220;of kind&#8221;.</p>
<p>Consider, if you will, juxtaposing likedislike, these two are primary polymorphic multi-behavioral containers.<br />
The density could become quickly overwhelming.</p>
<p>This is where I suspect a hierarchical statistical method might find useful expression.</p>
<p>Densities in &#8220;three dimensions&#8221;. Maybe sets of sets. I don&#8217;t know really just a method of building and behaving within what is built.<br />
Query the query?</p>
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		<title>By: Truthocracy &#8211; Part IV &#8211; www.hunch.com &#171; The Emergent Fool</title>
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		<title>By: Truthocracy &#8211; Part IV &#8211; www.hunch.com &#171; The Emergent Fool</title>
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		<title>By: Alex Golubev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Golubev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DWCrmcm, thank you for your thoughts!  hope you keep contributing cause it sounds like you have a lot to say on the topic.

You may be suggesting that BTS simply measures DENSITY of opinion, because &quot;the most surprising common answer&quot; is another way of saying &quot;unpredicted majority&quot;.  That&#039;s a great point.

The strong version of arguing for AI and BTS is that it will allows us to know everything ASAP.  The weak version suggests that a human with AI/BTS is more fit than one without it.  I&#039;m definitely undecided on the strong version and lean toward being &quot;trapped&quot; in a Memento type cycle.  The weak version however is where i&#039;d argue that our current Artificial Collective Intelligence of democracy, seniority, etc... is archaic and is putting limits on what is knowable, so we&#039;re very far from achieving peak density as a civilization/specie.

I think our &quot;disagreement&quot; or potential discovery lies in the space between the weak and the strong versions.  I don&#039;t think we can make an assumption that density of opinion is 100% objective, so it&#039;s isn&#039;t a sufficient condition to reach full knowledge.  I think emergence and evolution will still play a role at these levels.  But don&#039;t get me wrong, i think knowledge can grow by a few factors before we reach those levels.  So the weak version is quite &quot;strong&quot; in absolute quantification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DWCrmcm, thank you for your thoughts!  hope you keep contributing cause it sounds like you have a lot to say on the topic.</p>
<p>You may be suggesting that BTS simply measures DENSITY of opinion, because &#8220;the most surprising common answer&#8221; is another way of saying &#8220;unpredicted majority&#8221;.  That&#8217;s a great point.</p>
<p>The strong version of arguing for AI and BTS is that it will allows us to know everything ASAP.  The weak version suggests that a human with AI/BTS is more fit than one without it.  I&#8217;m definitely undecided on the strong version and lean toward being &#8220;trapped&#8221; in a Memento type cycle.  The weak version however is where i&#8217;d argue that our current Artificial Collective Intelligence of democracy, seniority, etc&#8230; is archaic and is putting limits on what is knowable, so we&#8217;re very far from achieving peak density as a civilization/specie.</p>
<p>I think our &#8220;disagreement&#8221; or potential discovery lies in the space between the weak and the strong versions.  I don&#8217;t think we can make an assumption that density of opinion is 100% objective, so it&#8217;s isn&#8217;t a sufficient condition to reach full knowledge.  I think emergence and evolution will still play a role at these levels.  But don&#8217;t get me wrong, i think knowledge can grow by a few factors before we reach those levels.  So the weak version is quite &#8220;strong&#8221; in absolute quantification.</p>
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		<title>By: DWCrmcm</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWCrmcm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 06:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A datum is a container. A container is any given constraint on flow.  The RMCM also asserts that all containers are both nouns and verbs. Vise complexity is encapsulated as polymorphic multi behavioralism.
The difficulty in taming statistics arises out of inexpression. The value of any attribute bound to any container depends on the density of the aggregates within.
Twenty years ago the density of computer displays would have made the graphics above impossible. Hence, &quot;evolutionary or emergent&quot; is a speculative encapsulation that simply falls away in light of the power of density.
Have you considered density and a given density&#039;s capacity to encapsulate a statistical metaphor? 

I don&#039;t know what a statistical metaphor means, I only know that it must exist.

Sample size is a speculative encapsulation. Density matters. To increase density you must increase the sample size. Then you must ask questions that exploit attribution - aka deviation. I suspect that statics&#039;s untapped power lies in the most ignored of its capacities, the elucidation of deviations arising from lack of density.
A standard deviation is only a standard within a given density -  misdiagnosis is abundant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A datum is a container. A container is any given constraint on flow.  The RMCM also asserts that all containers are both nouns and verbs. Vise complexity is encapsulated as polymorphic multi behavioralism.<br />
The difficulty in taming statistics arises out of inexpression. The value of any attribute bound to any container depends on the density of the aggregates within.<br />
Twenty years ago the density of computer displays would have made the graphics above impossible. Hence, &#8220;evolutionary or emergent&#8221; is a speculative encapsulation that simply falls away in light of the power of density.<br />
Have you considered density and a given density&#8217;s capacity to encapsulate a statistical metaphor? </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what a statistical metaphor means, I only know that it must exist.</p>
<p>Sample size is a speculative encapsulation. Density matters. To increase density you must increase the sample size. Then you must ask questions that exploit attribution &#8211; aka deviation. I suspect that statics&#8217;s untapped power lies in the most ignored of its capacities, the elucidation of deviations arising from lack of density.<br />
A standard deviation is only a standard within a given density &#8211;  misdiagnosis is abundant.</p>
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