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		<title>By: Rafe Furst&#8217;s True Story &#8220;The Safety Net&#8221; &#171; Life&#39;s Secret Sauce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rafe Furst&#8217;s True Story &#8220;The Safety Net&#8221; &#171; Life&#39;s Secret Sauce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 18:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] problem, it’s the conflict between money and “more”. Money is finite, more never ends.  The illusion is complete and we become blinded to the more nuanced [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rafe Furst</title>
		<link>http://emergentfool.com/2009/12/11/non-dualism/#comment-9505</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafe Furst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 17:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stuart Kauffman has finally been able to articulate well the uneasiness I feel about statistical reasoning in his eloquent article, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.npr.org/blogs/13.7/2009/12/breaking_the_galilean_spell_an.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Breaking the Galilean Spell&lt;/a&gt; (worth reading in its entirety):

&lt;i&gt;

Then can we make probability statements about the evolution of the biosphere? No. Consider flipping a coin 10,000 times. It will come up heads about 5,000 times with a binomial distribution. But, critically, note that we knew beforehand all the possible outcomes, all heads, all tails, all 2 to the 10,000 possibilities. Thus we knew what statisticians call &quot;the sample space&quot; of the process, so could construct a probability measure.

Can we construct a probability measure for the evolution of the biosphere into its Adjacent Possible? No. We do not know the sample space!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stuart Kauffman has finally been able to articulate well the uneasiness I feel about statistical reasoning in his eloquent article, <a href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/13.7/2009/12/breaking_the_galilean_spell_an.html" rel="nofollow">Breaking the Galilean Spell</a> (worth reading in its entirety):</p>
<p><i></p>
<p>Then can we make probability statements about the evolution of the biosphere? No. Consider flipping a coin 10,000 times. It will come up heads about 5,000 times with a binomial distribution. But, critically, note that we knew beforehand all the possible outcomes, all heads, all tails, all 2 to the 10,000 possibilities. Thus we knew what statisticians call &#8220;the sample space&#8221; of the process, so could construct a probability measure.</p>
<p>Can we construct a probability measure for the evolution of the biosphere into its Adjacent Possible? No. We do not know the sample space!</p>
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		<title>By: John Wallace</title>
		<link>http://emergentfool.com/2009/12/11/non-dualism/#comment-6892</link>
		<dc:creator>John Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 23:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thinking and experiencing are both important. Which is more valuable usually depends on which is in shortest supply.

As far as Flow goes, I find myself in the flow when my mind begins visualizing an action before it&#039;s taken. It&#039;s the change in state from when my brain is consciously telling my fingers how to hit the piano keys to when I can hear the music before I play it and my fingers are mindlessly on the right keys at the right time. The same happens when I start programming at 3pm and look up and find it&#039;s 4am and my energy level is so high that I can&#039;t bear to stop and sleep. Most of the time I hit flow when my judgmental, time-aware left brain shuts up and the part of my brain that knows how to do the job takes over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thinking and experiencing are both important. Which is more valuable usually depends on which is in shortest supply.</p>
<p>As far as Flow goes, I find myself in the flow when my mind begins visualizing an action before it&#8217;s taken. It&#8217;s the change in state from when my brain is consciously telling my fingers how to hit the piano keys to when I can hear the music before I play it and my fingers are mindlessly on the right keys at the right time. The same happens when I start programming at 3pm and look up and find it&#8217;s 4am and my energy level is so high that I can&#8217;t bear to stop and sleep. Most of the time I hit flow when my judgmental, time-aware left brain shuts up and the part of my brain that knows how to do the job takes over.</p>
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		<title>By: DWCrmcm</title>
		<link>http://emergentfool.com/2009/12/11/non-dualism/#comment-6058</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Big picture: My point was to suggest that a good way to achieve greater cognitive enlightenment is to venture off the cognitive grid entirely and into the purely experiential at times. &quot;

Here we are at context. The model endeavours to encapsulate experience as it moves away from the machine.
That which is closer to the machine is a simpler implementation of Cause, Effect, Form, and Function.
Simplicities implement higher frequencies, and higher frequencies implement simplicities.

God and the spiritual are just as valid to the machine as they are to abstractions arising within the machine.

I hear you and think vicarious experience. Vicarious experiences are akin to machine level déjà vu. 

Interesting is how vicarious education has become.

Please forgive my use of idiom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Big picture: My point was to suggest that a good way to achieve greater cognitive enlightenment is to venture off the cognitive grid entirely and into the purely experiential at times. &#8221;</p>
<p>Here we are at context. The model endeavours to encapsulate experience as it moves away from the machine.<br />
That which is closer to the machine is a simpler implementation of Cause, Effect, Form, and Function.<br />
Simplicities implement higher frequencies, and higher frequencies implement simplicities.</p>
<p>God and the spiritual are just as valid to the machine as they are to abstractions arising within the machine.</p>
<p>I hear you and think vicarious experience. Vicarious experiences are akin to machine level déjà vu. </p>
<p>Interesting is how vicarious education has become.</p>
<p>Please forgive my use of idiom.</p>
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		<title>By: Turning Japanese, iThink&#8230; &#171; The Emergent Fool</title>
		<link>http://emergentfool.com/2009/12/11/non-dualism/#comment-5885</link>
		<dc:creator>Turning Japanese, iThink&#8230; &#171; The Emergent Fool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] type.  I&#8217;m not there yet.  We are all teacher and students at achieving infinite &#8220;flow&#8220;.  Our bodies can only get us so [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rafe Furst</title>
		<link>http://emergentfool.com/2009/12/11/non-dualism/#comment-5819</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafe Furst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big picture: My point was to suggest that a good way to achieve greater cognitive enlightenment is to venture off the cognitive grid entirely and into the purely experiential at times.  Not a terribly hard sell, I admit.

What is a hard sell to most of us &quot;thinkers&quot; is the notion that direct knowing is both possible and valid despite the fact that words and analytical thought can only approach these truths asymptotically.  

Heuristics (as I use the word) are a form of analytical thought, just very condensed.  Flow/blink is at another timescale and is sub-analytical.  Furthermore it makes no sense to try to deconstruct decisions/actions that result, in the same way as it makes no sense to ask what part of a Hebbian network &quot;caused&quot; the output to be what it was.  It&#039;s the entire path-dependent history and total input that shapes the brain and produces the output.  The only answer to &quot;why&quot; this decision/action was chosen over another would be to replay the history (or a large portion of it).  The map and the terrain are very closely linked in these situations.

So my answer to &quot;is there a better system than Bayesian&quot; would be yes.  One that also includes non-analytical, non-judgmental, direct experience, where the focus is on short-circuiting the rational mind.  A balance of thought and no-thought, judgment and instinct.  And use our emotional reactions as clues for when there is discord between the two modes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big picture: My point was to suggest that a good way to achieve greater cognitive enlightenment is to venture off the cognitive grid entirely and into the purely experiential at times.  Not a terribly hard sell, I admit.</p>
<p>What is a hard sell to most of us &#8220;thinkers&#8221; is the notion that direct knowing is both possible and valid despite the fact that words and analytical thought can only approach these truths asymptotically.  </p>
<p>Heuristics (as I use the word) are a form of analytical thought, just very condensed.  Flow/blink is at another timescale and is sub-analytical.  Furthermore it makes no sense to try to deconstruct decisions/actions that result, in the same way as it makes no sense to ask what part of a Hebbian network &#8220;caused&#8221; the output to be what it was.  It&#8217;s the entire path-dependent history and total input that shapes the brain and produces the output.  The only answer to &#8220;why&#8221; this decision/action was chosen over another would be to replay the history (or a large portion of it).  The map and the terrain are very closely linked in these situations.</p>
<p>So my answer to &#8220;is there a better system than Bayesian&#8221; would be yes.  One that also includes non-analytical, non-judgmental, direct experience, where the focus is on short-circuiting the rational mind.  A balance of thought and no-thought, judgment and instinct.  And use our emotional reactions as clues for when there is discord between the two modes.</p>
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		<title>By: Truthocracy &#8211; Part IV &#8211; www.hunch.com &#171; The Emergent Fool</title>
		<link>http://emergentfool.com/2009/12/11/non-dualism/#comment-5769</link>
		<dc:creator>Truthocracy &#8211; Part IV &#8211; www.hunch.com &#171; The Emergent Fool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 04:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kevindick</title>
		<link>http://emergentfool.com/2009/12/11/non-dualism/#comment-5743</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, 99% of people that have any particular philosophy of a hammer see everything as the corresponding type of nail.  I would bet that Bayesians are more open to potential non-Bayesian frameworks than say Christians are to a non-Christian god.  But this is a sideshow to the real question of the limits of Bayesianism.

My feeling is that Bayesianism is extremely useful if your goal is to evaluate the possible effects alternative courses of action will have on what you experience in the future, where the decision time horizon is greater than minutes.  In fact, I don&#039;t know of a better system than Bayesian for this purpose.  But of course, being a Bayesian, I am happy to examine evidence that there is a superior system :-)

But it obviously falls short when you&#039;re talking about choosing alternative courses of actions on minute or faster time horizons.  Not enough time for explicit analysis. Of course, you can apply Bayesianism to the heuristics you use on these short time frames, but there are issues of scoping the heuristics and meta-cost-benefit limits to how much time you want to spend refining your reflexive heuristics.

Moreover, it tells you precisely nothing about what you _should_ want_ to_experience_ in the future.  Now, to a certain extent, you can model your own future satisfaction using Bayesian methods.  But there&#039;s an endogeneity problem and you quickly run into Godel, Escher, Bach/Strange Loop limits.  When you come down to it, I have never seen a satisfactory &quot;rational&quot; explanation of what you should want to experience.

Are we on the same page here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, 99% of people that have any particular philosophy of a hammer see everything as the corresponding type of nail.  I would bet that Bayesians are more open to potential non-Bayesian frameworks than say Christians are to a non-Christian god.  But this is a sideshow to the real question of the limits of Bayesianism.</p>
<p>My feeling is that Bayesianism is extremely useful if your goal is to evaluate the possible effects alternative courses of action will have on what you experience in the future, where the decision time horizon is greater than minutes.  In fact, I don&#8217;t know of a better system than Bayesian for this purpose.  But of course, being a Bayesian, I am happy to examine evidence that there is a superior system :-)</p>
<p>But it obviously falls short when you&#8217;re talking about choosing alternative courses of actions on minute or faster time horizons.  Not enough time for explicit analysis. Of course, you can apply Bayesianism to the heuristics you use on these short time frames, but there are issues of scoping the heuristics and meta-cost-benefit limits to how much time you want to spend refining your reflexive heuristics.</p>
<p>Moreover, it tells you precisely nothing about what you _should_ want_ to_experience_ in the future.  Now, to a certain extent, you can model your own future satisfaction using Bayesian methods.  But there&#8217;s an endogeneity problem and you quickly run into Godel, Escher, Bach/Strange Loop limits.  When you come down to it, I have never seen a satisfactory &#8220;rational&#8221; explanation of what you should want to experience.</p>
<p>Are we on the same page here?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://emergentfool.com/2009/12/11/non-dualism/#comment-5742</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rafe, I don&#039;t see a contradiction between 1 and 2, and both seem to have merit. Do I win a prize? Along with Popper (etc.) you might add Kant, who made the distinction between a &quot;thing in itself&quot; and our interior mapping of the &quot;thing.&quot; 

Reminds me of the Eastern Orthodox approach to truth -- called apophatic theology, or negative theology. Also found in Hinduism as &quot;neti-neti&quot; or in the fundamental premise of Buddhism.

Ken&#039;s TEDTalk is among my favorites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rafe, I don&#8217;t see a contradiction between 1 and 2, and both seem to have merit. Do I win a prize? Along with Popper (etc.) you might add Kant, who made the distinction between a &#8220;thing in itself&#8221; and our interior mapping of the &#8220;thing.&#8221; </p>
<p>Reminds me of the Eastern Orthodox approach to truth &#8212; called apophatic theology, or negative theology. Also found in Hinduism as &#8220;neti-neti&#8221; or in the fundamental premise of Buddhism.</p>
<p>Ken&#8217;s TEDTalk is among my favorites.</p>
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		<title>By: Rafe Furst</title>
		<link>http://emergentfool.com/2009/12/11/non-dualism/#comment-5738</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafe Furst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 23:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, congratulations :-)

Second, I don&#039;t take issue with Bayes, Popper and Occam, just those who forget there&#039;s a limit to what their methods can apply to.  My observation is that group is 99% of the population who invoke those names.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, congratulations :-)</p>
<p>Second, I don&#8217;t take issue with Bayes, Popper and Occam, just those who forget there&#8217;s a limit to what their methods can apply to.  My observation is that group is 99% of the population who invoke those names.</p>
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